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2017 bylaw proposal, disscussion of new bylaws


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10. e. All proposals to amend the Eryndor By-Laws must be given to all Executive Board by
        being posted on the Eryndor Runboards. The Executive Board is then to convene, either
        in person or electronically, to discuss, amend, and vote for that proposal in a timely
        manner after its posting. Executive Board is to keep minutes for these smaller meetings
        and post their discussion and reasoning in the thread which contains the amendment,
        along with the results of the vote.

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10. e. All proposals to amend the Eryndor By-Laws must be given to all Executive Board by
        being posted on the Eryndor Runboards. All discussions about bylaw proposals may only
        be conducted on Runboard or done in a private setting. The Executive Board is then to convene,
        either in person or electronically, to discuss, amend, and vote for that proposal in a timely
        manner after its posting. Executive Board is to keep minutes for these smaller meetings
        and post their discussion and reasoning in the thread which contains the amendment,
        along with the results of the vote.

Reasoning:
Discussions about realm politics on the realm's Facebook page may bring unwanted attention to the realm. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about bylaws and proposals, however discussions on the realm's Facebook page about bylaws may give a false image of hostility in the realm and has the potential scare current members and recruits from participating in realm activities.
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Friendly Amendment:
 
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10. e. All proposals to amend the Eryndor By-Laws must be given to all Executive Board by
        being posted on the Eryndor Runboards. The Executive Board is then to convene, either
        in person or electronically, to discuss, amend, and vote for that proposal in a timely
        manner after its posting. Executive Board is to keep minutes for these smaller meetings
        and post their discussion and reasoning in the thread which contains the amendment,
        along with the results of the vote.

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10. e. All proposals to amend the Eryndor By-Laws must be given to all Executive Board by
        being posted on the Eryndor Runboards. All discussions about bylaw proposals may only
        be conducted on Runboard or done in a private setting. When posting the proposed amendment
        on the Ernydor Runboards, notification should be given on whatever dominant social platform
        the realm uses at the time ( i.e. Facebook). The thread should be locked by moderators to prevent
        discussion, and bumped one week after notification has been given.The Executive Board is
        then to convene, either in person or electronically, to discuss, amend, and vote for that
        proposal in a timely manner after its posting. Executive Board is to keep minutes for these
        smaller meetings and post their discussion and reasoning in the thread which contains the
        amendment, along with the results of the vote.


Added notification on social platform to lend toward transparency of proposals.


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Hate this proposal and the stealth post with no notification on any relevant media. These boards aren't used for anything but official posts and frankly should be phased out entirely. This isn't the 90s. Discussion in an open forum where every one can see things and have a say is extremely important to a functioning transparent democracy
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Personally I like Nekrosis' friendly amend. Yes, certain social media tools are used and frequented more often than something like these runboards which seems antiquated in comparison.
However, there are members outside of Eryndor both in our moderated and unmoderated page on Facebook, watching what we are doing. There is a chance for those outside the realm when political discussion arises for them to see our 'dirty laundry'. I am only in favor of the proposal and more so with the friendly amend for that reason.
We want to be transparent but it is obvious that some people only look at Facebook, but I have also seen posts about people asking for things like this to be posted on the Runboards, which to be honest has been done less and less over the past few years. I would not suggest phasing out the runboards but rather, use it exactly for relevant posts and threads and if people don't use it (which I admit I don't do very often), then perhaps people should get on here more often and pitch in their 2 cents.

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These bylaws are always posted to these boards. It's part of the submission process. Virtually every realm discusses their bylaws in the open, including the national game. Hiding our bylaw discussions just increases the likely good that something will slip by, and frankly looks more shady than an open discussion. Additionally, it increases the likelihood that people with potentially relevant information will never see the post. Instead of hiding !@#$ from the public, we need moderators on our boards who will actually make sure discussions stay on topic and respectful
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I sincerely agree with the issue regarding a lack of transparency. Hence the reason for the friendly amendment. But I also understand an issue to avoid airing ones dirty laundry in front of others. Another point as to why I feel this is a better place is its innate ability to organize and search responses better than facebook at present. In repose to getting rid of a system that is somewhat antiquated, I'd be more in favor of removing eboard as it stands and resort to having only a unit council for the running of eryndor.
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Unit council was essentially how it use to run, with the board being more of a representative position. Everything was decided by unit council. Unfortunately this resulted in long meetings, scheduling conflicts, and things not being handled in a timely manner. If we wanted a different version of unit council that would be a discussion for another post.

I understand not wanting people to see us arguing, but that is part of democracy. At this point, lots of people don't have accounts on here, and simply never check it. Even with a notification post, you will have much less people seeing amendments as the post will be lost quickly. Having our information and discussions in the easiest accessible area is the best way to insure that things are adequately discussed. If people can't handle discussing things in a manner that doesnt make us look bad, then their posts should be removed. Moving our discussions to an outdated , hidden area looks horrible.
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I hear what you say regarding having open discussion and am for it. But saying that most person not having an account on here as a reason to not have them here doesn't carry weight to me. These forums are still open to the public and to anyone that actually cares about the goings on in the realm. If ones that actually are sincere with their intent to voice their opinion, they can and would take the easy steps to do so. But I also recall the deletions of 2 posts of Arjack a year ago that were deleted that were in sincere inquisitive form. I find your current statements hypocritical to the dealings with such in the past.
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I deleted his posts, added a topic with all of the information that he had requested, and explained to him why I had deleted his topic. Which is pretty much how a moderated board runs. It's not like his thing was deleted to be buried, it was literally replaced with exactly what he had asked for. At any rate, I've started a facebook discussion of this topic.
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Additionally, pretty much this exact proposal was voted down unanimously last year.
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